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		<title>By: postroad</title>
		<link>http://karenrayne.com/2009/12/01/judgments/comment-page-1/#comment-5273</link>
		<dc:creator>postroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at it without the emotional baggage.

Perhaps there is agrain of truth there.

Religious woman hate prostitutes. Why?"

" Because the Bible tells me so" ?

Perhaps they hate the prostitutes because they have themselves internalised the concept of their reduced value as percieved by their society.

They project their hatred of themselves onto a socialy accepted scapegoat?

Women are bombarded constantly with messages about their unclean(menstrual) and less than perfect state of physical perfection.

Seems logical that some would project this onto other woman.

And whoes fault is it ?

Society cranks it out, but the woman keep buying the magazines and feminine products</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at it without the emotional baggage.</p>
<p>Perhaps there is agrain of truth there.</p>
<p>Religious woman hate prostitutes. Why?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8221; Because the Bible tells me so&#8221; ?</p>
<p>Perhaps they hate the prostitutes because they have themselves internalised the concept of their reduced value as percieved by their society.</p>
<p>They project their hatred of themselves onto a socialy accepted scapegoat?</p>
<p>Women are bombarded constantly with messages about their unclean(menstrual) and less than perfect state of physical perfection.</p>
<p>Seems logical that some would project this onto other woman.</p>
<p>And whoes fault is it ?</p>
<p>Society cranks it out, but the woman keep buying the magazines and feminine products</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas MacAulay Millar</title>
		<link>http://karenrayne.com/2009/12/01/judgments/comment-page-1/#comment-5243</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas MacAulay Millar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember James Watson making very similar remarks just before he finally melted down completely and admitted to the world that he was a screaming racist.

Your colleague is a misogynist and a terrible person.  Hopefully, professional ruin is right around the corner for him, too, and similarly by his own doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember James Watson making very similar remarks just before he finally melted down completely and admitted to the world that he was a screaming racist.</p>
<p>Your colleague is a misogynist and a terrible person.  Hopefully, professional ruin is right around the corner for him, too, and similarly by his own doing.</p>
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		<title>By: karenrayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>karenrayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG, you people are cracking me up.  Thanks for the humor!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG, you people are cracking me up.  Thanks for the humor!  <img src='http://karenrayne.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Robert H</title>
		<link>http://karenrayne.com/2009/12/01/judgments/comment-page-1/#comment-5212</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to my research, sexually insecure men make judgments about women based on their weight.  

Tell me a man's opinion about women's body size and I can predict his sexual confidence level with 99.843% accuracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to my research, sexually insecure men make judgments about women based on their weight.  </p>
<p>Tell me a man&#8217;s opinion about women&#8217;s body size and I can predict his sexual confidence level with 99.843% accuracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto</title>
		<link>http://karenrayne.com/2009/12/01/judgments/comment-page-1/#comment-5211</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, he's entitled to his opinion.  Perhaps he'd enjoy doing some research on the issue.  I wonder if he could pinpoint the precise Body Mass Index above which a woman will feel threatened by prostitutes.  

He could probably further study if prostitutes feel threatened by committed partners.  After all, by providing free of charge what your colleague deems to be identical services, is that not a threat to prostitutes' business model?

Perhaps if you can get him to go study these issues, he'll be too busy interviewing prostitutes to bait you any further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, he&#8217;s entitled to his opinion.  Perhaps he&#8217;d enjoy doing some research on the issue.  I wonder if he could pinpoint the precise Body Mass Index above which a woman will feel threatened by prostitutes.  </p>
<p>He could probably further study if prostitutes feel threatened by committed partners.  After all, by providing free of charge what your colleague deems to be identical services, is that not a threat to prostitutes&#8217; business model?</p>
<p>Perhaps if you can get him to go study these issues, he&#8217;ll be too busy interviewing prostitutes to bait you any further.</p>
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		<title>By: karenrayne</title>
		<link>http://karenrayne.com/2009/12/01/judgments/comment-page-1/#comment-5209</link>
		<dc:creator>karenrayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roberto, when I tried to point out this man's lack of logic on the statistics and the uselessness of using personal experience as a statistical measurement, he pointed out that he had talked with *a lot* of women about this.  But he also said that he never brings it up, they do.  All of them.  Which is silly in the extreme, because the idea that randomly every woman that he meets brings up their views on prostitution is so laughable.  In any event, he was so completely out of touch with reality I couldn't really figure out how to bring him back down to earth.

I think your point hits very close to home - it is the connection in a long-term monogamous relationship that is so critical, not the physical appearance of the partner(s).  I think that there can be a blame put on physical appearance when really the problem is a lack of connection.  But because our society is so focused on the physical, people of both genders can default to that as the "real issue."

Ruth, I think he feels superior because he's a man.  He also accused me of crying because he disagreed with me.  (I have a cold and a runny nose at the moment, and am not prone to crying fits regardless.)  He was quite heated in the conversation - not cool and distant at all.  But regardless, he certainly doesn't seem to have internal peace of mind.

Thanks for your comments!  It's fun to hear what people's reactions are to what I write here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roberto, when I tried to point out this man&#8217;s lack of logic on the statistics and the uselessness of using personal experience as a statistical measurement, he pointed out that he had talked with *a lot* of women about this.  But he also said that he never brings it up, they do.  All of them.  Which is silly in the extreme, because the idea that randomly every woman that he meets brings up their views on prostitution is so laughable.  In any event, he was so completely out of touch with reality I couldn&#8217;t really figure out how to bring him back down to earth.</p>
<p>I think your point hits very close to home - it is the connection in a long-term monogamous relationship that is so critical, not the physical appearance of the partner(s).  I think that there can be a blame put on physical appearance when really the problem is a lack of connection.  But because our society is so focused on the physical, people of both genders can default to that as the &#8220;real issue.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ruth, I think he feels superior because he&#8217;s a man.  He also accused me of crying because he disagreed with me.  (I have a cold and a runny nose at the moment, and am not prone to crying fits regardless.)  He was quite heated in the conversation - not cool and distant at all.  But regardless, he certainly doesn&#8217;t seem to have internal peace of mind.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments!  It&#8217;s fun to hear what people&#8217;s reactions are to what I write here.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth Rinehart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruth Rinehart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, Karen, do let us know when this guy gets back to you with the results of his literature review.  It does boggle the mind, the idea that there would be some research that backs up his opinion regarding a correlation between women's body weight and their opinions regarding sex workers. 

It strikes me that some people feel intellectually superior to others, and oftentimes will play mind games to get to others.  It could be a game he's playing with you:  he stays emotionally distant from the conversation and enjoys goading and watching your reactions.  Do you think he's this type?  This type of person operates from an internal disquiet, low self-esteem and cynicism.  Don't let it get to you.  Could be years before he reaches some internal peace of mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, Karen, do let us know when this guy gets back to you with the results of his literature review.  It does boggle the mind, the idea that there would be some research that backs up his opinion regarding a correlation between women&#8217;s body weight and their opinions regarding sex workers. </p>
<p>It strikes me that some people feel intellectually superior to others, and oftentimes will play mind games to get to others.  It could be a game he&#8217;s playing with you:  he stays emotionally distant from the conversation and enjoys goading and watching your reactions.  Do you think he&#8217;s this type?  This type of person operates from an internal disquiet, low self-esteem and cynicism.  Don&#8217;t let it get to you.  Could be years before he reaches some internal peace of mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto</title>
		<link>http://karenrayne.com/2009/12/01/judgments/comment-page-1/#comment-5207</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm pretty sure this colleague knew (or should have known) that he wasn't making a "research-based assumption" when he began a sentence with, "Every woman I've ever met."  Obviously this would not be valid sample for statistical analysis, nevermind my sincere hope that he has not asked this question of every women he has ever met.

As to the assumption that fat women hate prostitutes due to perceived competition, that is patently ridiculous.  There are plenty of men who prefer women of size; and reflecting those tastes, there are plenty of prostitutes who themselves are women of size (search on craigslist for BBW, if you must be convinced).  Fat women have nothing extra to fear from prostitutes of any body type.

Women who do (or should) fear competition from prostitutes are ones who don't make their mates feel special.  Of the handful friends I have who visit with prostitutes (and admit to such), the only reason I've heard so far is how great it makes them feel to have a woman giving her full and undivided attention to his happiness, if only for an hour.  

I wonder how their wives would feel if they knew how their own health was being compromised due to their unwillingness to dedicate even one hour to their husbands' happiness.

Granted I'm an old, married guy so my circle of friends represent only a certain demographic, so I can't speak to other demographics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure this colleague knew (or should have known) that he wasn&#8217;t making a &#8220;research-based assumption&#8221; when he began a sentence with, &#8220;Every woman I&#8217;ve ever met.&#8221;  Obviously this would not be valid sample for statistical analysis, nevermind my sincere hope that he has not asked this question of every women he has ever met.</p>
<p>As to the assumption that fat women hate prostitutes due to perceived competition, that is patently ridiculous.  There are plenty of men who prefer women of size; and reflecting those tastes, there are plenty of prostitutes who themselves are women of size (search on craigslist for BBW, if you must be convinced).  Fat women have nothing extra to fear from prostitutes of any body type.</p>
<p>Women who do (or should) fear competition from prostitutes are ones who don&#8217;t make their mates feel special.  Of the handful friends I have who visit with prostitutes (and admit to such), the only reason I&#8217;ve heard so far is how great it makes them feel to have a woman giving her full and undivided attention to his happiness, if only for an hour.  </p>
<p>I wonder how their wives would feel if they knew how their own health was being compromised due to their unwillingness to dedicate even one hour to their husbands&#8217; happiness.</p>
<p>Granted I&#8217;m an old, married guy so my circle of friends represent only a certain demographic, so I can&#8217;t speak to other demographics.</p>
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