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		<title>By: Alice</title>
		<link>http://karenrayne.com/2008/07/02/on-pre-martial-sex-morals-and-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-3264</link>
		<dc:creator>Alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not comfortable writing about this in detail on a public forum, but I will say that I know what you mean about needing to learn how to make sure that one won't be hurt in that way, at least not unbearably so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not comfortable writing about this in detail on a public forum, but I will say that I know what you mean about needing to learn how to make sure that one won&#8217;t be hurt in that way, at least not unbearably so.</p>
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		<title>By: Unnatural and proud of it</title>
		<link>http://karenrayne.com/2008/07/02/on-pre-martial-sex-morals-and-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-3262</link>
		<dc:creator>Unnatural and proud of it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My parents were honest with me...mostly.  When I was a girl of 12 and getting fascinated with one thing after another, they said I would meet some boy someday and he would replace all those things.  I'm 52 and it hasn't happened yet.  Okay, so that was just a wrong guess.  But when I was 14, my mom and I sat down for another installment of The Talk, and she said I shouldn't use tampons because I had to wait till I was 18 and went thru some rigamarole with a doctor and also I had to get perforated--I may have pictured them using the same tools they use to perforate stamps--but it went right over my head because I was thinking about buildings instead.  But a few months later I found some porn and it was one of the most frightening things that ever happened to me.  The scene where they finally did the deed turned into a bloodbath, just because she was new at it.  It seemed that in order to have sex with a man, I had to be ripped open just to fit him.  I didn't like that idea at all.  But when I told my folks about this, they both just brushed it aside.  I was not reassured.  I decided to get proactive.  Some unpleasant experiences later--for the record, cut your nails!--I told them that I was in the tampon league now and I had made sure that no one would be able to hurt my private parts.  Well, they weren't proud of me, they were shocked--afraid I would hurt myself--but here's the kicker, they didn't seem concerned about someone else hurting me.  I could not express this then and the whole thing was swept under the rug.  About then I read Dr. Reuben's moronic book, questioned his blanket statements about gays, and was told that yes he was overdoing it but homosexuality was still weird or unnatural.  I didn't have a dyke bone in my body, but I was the first to support gay pride.  And what I remember is all that crushing heteronormativity, and not even questioned when it seemed everything else was up for grabs, and I didn't turn on for men or women either.  I don't remember those years with fondness.
 Now, grown, I have straightened out some of that stuff with my parents--some of it; there are some things that can never be repaired.  But what really bugs me is how even today, thses books for young girls leave out a crucial detail.  When they talk about the anatomy of the female parts, and how to protect against pregnancy and disease, they so often forget to tell them exactly how to make sure, if anything is going into the vagina, that it won't hurt them.  Me, I call them on it every chance I get. 
Sorry to come late to this one.  I just found this site and am appreciative.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents were honest with me&#8230;mostly.  When I was a girl of 12 and getting fascinated with one thing after another, they said I would meet some boy someday and he would replace all those things.  I&#8217;m 52 and it hasn&#8217;t happened yet.  Okay, so that was just a wrong guess.  But when I was 14, my mom and I sat down for another installment of The Talk, and she said I shouldn&#8217;t use tampons because I had to wait till I was 18 and went thru some rigamarole with a doctor and also I had to get perforated&#8211;I may have pictured them using the same tools they use to perforate stamps&#8211;but it went right over my head because I was thinking about buildings instead.  But a few months later I found some porn and it was one of the most frightening things that ever happened to me.  The scene where they finally did the deed turned into a bloodbath, just because she was new at it.  It seemed that in order to have sex with a man, I had to be ripped open just to fit him.  I didn&#8217;t like that idea at all.  But when I told my folks about this, they both just brushed it aside.  I was not reassured.  I decided to get proactive.  Some unpleasant experiences later&#8211;for the record, cut your nails!&#8211;I told them that I was in the tampon league now and I had made sure that no one would be able to hurt my private parts.  Well, they weren&#8217;t proud of me, they were shocked&#8211;afraid I would hurt myself&#8211;but here&#8217;s the kicker, they didn&#8217;t seem concerned about someone else hurting me.  I could not express this then and the whole thing was swept under the rug.  About then I read Dr. Reuben&#8217;s moronic book, questioned his blanket statements about gays, and was told that yes he was overdoing it but homosexuality was still weird or unnatural.  I didn&#8217;t have a dyke bone in my body, but I was the first to support gay pride.  And what I remember is all that crushing heteronormativity, and not even questioned when it seemed everything else was up for grabs, and I didn&#8217;t turn on for men or women either.  I don&#8217;t remember those years with fondness.<br />
 Now, grown, I have straightened out some of that stuff with my parents&#8211;some of it; there are some things that can never be repaired.  But what really bugs me is how even today, thses books for young girls leave out a crucial detail.  When they talk about the anatomy of the female parts, and how to protect against pregnancy and disease, they so often forget to tell them exactly how to make sure, if anything is going into the vagina, that it won&#8217;t hurt them.  Me, I call them on it every chance I get.<br />
Sorry to come late to this one.  I just found this site and am appreciative.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Alice</title>
		<link>http://karenrayne.com/2008/07/02/on-pre-martial-sex-morals-and-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-3245</link>
		<dc:creator>Alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just relieved that my mother didn't give me the birds and the bees talk the night before my wedding.

My parents did make an effort to find other adults I could go to for advice about life in general, but it didn't help me figure out anything about sex, because I was so squeamish talking about sex with any adult. I learned about sex from books.

I want my daughter to grow up thinking that sex is an O.K. thing to talk about and it's not bad or nasty. It sounds like your daughter already understands this, which is wonderful. And it's wonderful that you know she hears you even when she's not saying much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just relieved that my mother didn&#8217;t give me the birds and the bees talk the night before my wedding.</p>
<p>My parents did make an effort to find other adults I could go to for advice about life in general, but it didn&#8217;t help me figure out anything about sex, because I was so squeamish talking about sex with any adult. I learned about sex from books.</p>
<p>I want my daughter to grow up thinking that sex is an O.K. thing to talk about and it&#8217;s not bad or nasty. It sounds like your daughter already understands this, which is wonderful. And it&#8217;s wonderful that you know she hears you even when she&#8217;s not saying much.</p>
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		<title>By: Mommy B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mommy B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 21:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post. And interesting question to ponder. My own experience with sex (I became active quite early as a young teen) has led me to open the doors of communication with my own daughter early. She's 14 now. When I was that age I was already sexually active... with little to no knowledge about how to protect myself. I told her about my ordeal and let her know that although my mom and dad were both loving and supportive parents, they were from a time when parents didn't give their girl children "this-is-how-you-protect-yourself" sex talks. The talks were more along the lines of "DON'T DO IT!'...(Much like your dad's Pizza Hut-ham sammy lecture :-D). That type of approach did NOT work for me so I don't expect it to work on her. Kids need to know the real  deal about sex along with the fact that abstinence is the safest route.

The main thing is that I want her to be armed with information, so when the time comes that she is considering having sex, she'll be able to make a smart, informed decision. But I know  how hard it can be for kids to go to parents with questions, so I've also supplied a few other advice outlets...if I come across an informative sex ed video or article online, I'll pop it into her favorites folder so she can watch or read it on her own time. Also a book like gurl.com's "Deal with It" provides no-holds barred info that can be quite frank, but is medically accurate and quite educational.  

Our conversations are getting better. Of course she's still a bit squeebish about talking sex with mom, but I know she hears me... even if she's not saying much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post. And interesting question to ponder. My own experience with sex (I became active quite early as a young teen) has led me to open the doors of communication with my own daughter early. She&#8217;s 14 now. When I was that age I was already sexually active&#8230; with little to no knowledge about how to protect myself. I told her about my ordeal and let her know that although my mom and dad were both loving and supportive parents, they were from a time when parents didn&#8217;t give their girl children &#8220;this-is-how-you-protect-yourself&#8221; sex talks. The talks were more along the lines of &#8220;DON&#8217;T DO IT!&#8217;&#8230;(Much like your dad&#8217;s Pizza Hut-ham sammy lecture :-D). That type of approach did NOT work for me so I don&#8217;t expect it to work on her. Kids need to know the real  deal about sex along with the fact that abstinence is the safest route.</p>
<p>The main thing is that I want her to be armed with information, so when the time comes that she is considering having sex, she&#8217;ll be able to make a smart, informed decision. But I know  how hard it can be for kids to go to parents with questions, so I&#8217;ve also supplied a few other advice outlets&#8230;if I come across an informative sex ed video or article online, I&#8217;ll pop it into her favorites folder so she can watch or read it on her own time. Also a book like gurl.com&#8217;s &#8220;Deal with It&#8221; provides no-holds barred info that can be quite frank, but is medically accurate and quite educational.  </p>
<p>Our conversations are getting better. Of course she&#8217;s still a bit squeebish about talking sex with mom, but I know she hears me&#8230; even if she&#8217;s not saying much.</p>
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		<title>By: Alice</title>
		<link>http://karenrayne.com/2008/07/02/on-pre-martial-sex-morals-and-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-3221</link>
		<dc:creator>Alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dad disliked pizza, or more specifically, he disliked mozzarella cheese. At Pizza Hut he would get a ham sandwich, or sometimes spaghetti and meatballs, or sometimes just munch on breadsticks, while my mother and I ate pizza.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dad disliked pizza, or more specifically, he disliked mozzarella cheese. At Pizza Hut he would get a ham sandwich, or sometimes spaghetti and meatballs, or sometimes just munch on breadsticks, while my mother and I ate pizza.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why did he have a ham sandwich at a Pizza Hut?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why did he have a ham sandwich at a Pizza Hut?</p>
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