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	<title>Comments on: Virginity, Virgin, Virginal, Are you&#8230;?</title>
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		<title>By: What is virginity worth? &#124; Adolescent Sexuality by Dr. Karen Rayne</title>
		<link>http://karenrayne.com/2008/06/16/virginity-virgin-virginal-are-you/comment-page-1/#comment-4124</link>
		<dc:creator>What is virginity worth? &#124; Adolescent Sexuality by Dr. Karen Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What is the DEAL with virginity?  I&#8217;ve written about this in the past (and here and here and here).  There seems to be some intense psychological attraction that some [...]</description>
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		<title>By: karenrayne</title>
		<link>http://karenrayne.com/2008/06/16/virginity-virgin-virginal-are-you/comment-page-1/#comment-3145</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue is: There is substantial weight (emotional, social, religious) put on whether or not someone is a "virgin," while at the same time "virgin" has a wide variety of potential meaning.  The question about sexual experience is rarely, "Have you had an intense physical connection with someone?" or even "Have you given or received oral sex?" but instead the question about sexual experience is "Are you a virgin?"

The word is imprecise, and rather than being used to get to know someone and their sexuality, it is used to categorize (slut or non-slut) and judge (good or bad).

Margaret, does that help with the general point of the post?

And as for it being creepy that adults pay such close attention to and care so deeply about adolescent sexual experience: Do you disagree?  And I think it's particularly, and highly, problematic when &lt;b&gt;fathers&lt;/b&gt; claim their daughter's virginity (as they do at Purity Balls) to keep safe until the daughter marries - when the father hands it over to her new husband.  This is gross.  This is creepy.  This is fathers owning their daughters, but because our society has such high-strung feelings about whether or not someone is a "virgin," everyone thinks that maybe it's really best for the girls.

And yes, Dorian, I do reject the word "virgin"!  I will only use it in quotation marks much like my use of the term abstinence-only "sex ed."

But the reason I reject "virgin" is because I want nuanced conversation, I want people of all ages to actually talk about sex and sexuality, rather than using highly inspecific, highly emotional terminology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue is: There is substantial weight (emotional, social, religious) put on whether or not someone is a &#8220;virgin,&#8221; while at the same time &#8220;virgin&#8221; has a wide variety of potential meaning.  The question about sexual experience is rarely, &#8220;Have you had an intense physical connection with someone?&#8221; or even &#8220;Have you given or received oral sex?&#8221; but instead the question about sexual experience is &#8220;Are you a virgin?&#8221;</p>
<p>The word is imprecise, and rather than being used to get to know someone and their sexuality, it is used to categorize (slut or non-slut) and judge (good or bad).</p>
<p>Margaret, does that help with the general point of the post?</p>
<p>And as for it being creepy that adults pay such close attention to and care so deeply about adolescent sexual experience: Do you disagree?  And I think it&#8217;s particularly, and highly, problematic when <b>fathers</b> claim their daughter&#8217;s virginity (as they do at Purity Balls) to keep safe until the daughter marries - when the father hands it over to her new husband.  This is gross.  This is creepy.  This is fathers owning their daughters, but because our society has such high-strung feelings about whether or not someone is a &#8220;virgin,&#8221; everyone thinks that maybe it&#8217;s really best for the girls.</p>
<p>And yes, Dorian, I do reject the word &#8220;virgin&#8221;!  I will only use it in quotation marks much like my use of the term abstinence-only &#8220;sex ed.&#8221;</p>
<p>But the reason I reject &#8220;virgin&#8221; is because I want nuanced conversation, I want people of all ages to actually talk about sex and sexuality, rather than using highly inspecific, highly emotional terminology.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorian Rinehart</title>
		<link>http://karenrayne.com/2008/06/16/virginity-virgin-virginal-are-you/comment-page-1/#comment-3144</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorian Rinehart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Dr. Rayne.  Not for 'rejecting the word itself' - I don't think you did that.  You insist on a nuanced, conversation in depth about the substance of the issue on an individual basis.  We (all of us living in the American culture at the very least) have as a culture gotten attached to having definitive answers given to us, without considering whether or not the answers will be helpful to the person asking.  I've dealt with another discipline with this same issue in the past few weeks and have held a slightly different answer for a reason I think appropriate, but I appreciate tremendously the importance you are placing on having the in depth conversation about the real issues, rather than coping out and giving an answer that would not be helpful and would not address multiple situations appropriately.  Thanks for the sanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Dr. Rayne.  Not for &#8216;rejecting the word itself&#8217; - I don&#8217;t think you did that.  You insist on a nuanced, conversation in depth about the substance of the issue on an individual basis.  We (all of us living in the American culture at the very least) have as a culture gotten attached to having definitive answers given to us, without considering whether or not the answers will be helpful to the person asking.  I&#8217;ve dealt with another discipline with this same issue in the past few weeks and have held a slightly different answer for a reason I think appropriate, but I appreciate tremendously the importance you are placing on having the in depth conversation about the real issues, rather than coping out and giving an answer that would not be helpful and would not address multiple situations appropriately.  Thanks for the sanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret Pevec</title>
		<link>http://karenrayne.com/2008/06/16/virginity-virgin-virginal-are-you/comment-page-1/#comment-3143</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret Pevec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the first time I haven't really gotten your point, Karen. I think I'm going to like it when I do, but your post today is confusing as written. Could you either write more about this issue or clarify what you've written? I think it's always great to ask adults to think through their emotional reactions to what teenagers do, especially what they do sexually. I also want to understand what you're saying about the creepy emphasis adults put on teen virginity...so say more about that quote as well (I'll go read the whole thing too, I see you gave the link)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the first time I haven&#8217;t really gotten your point, Karen. I think I&#8217;m going to like it when I do, but your post today is confusing as written. Could you either write more about this issue or clarify what you&#8217;ve written? I think it&#8217;s always great to ask adults to think through their emotional reactions to what teenagers do, especially what they do sexually. I also want to understand what you&#8217;re saying about the creepy emphasis adults put on teen virginity&#8230;so say more about that quote as well (I&#8217;ll go read the whole thing too, I see you gave the link)</p>
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