Otto Kernberg anyone??

also, Bob, the tummy bulge and breast slope belonging to a mature woman is incredibly sexy. the poise, confidence, maturity, and experience of a mature woman are all complete turn-ons

when you make your evolutionary argument… well, it’s fascinating that “amateur” websites consisting of home pictures are the fastest growing area of pornography. also, even commercial porn producers have had to alter their offerings over the last decade and a half to reflect a demand for “real” looking people and “amateur” style scenarios because the plastic parodies of yesteryear weren’t turning men on - at least if sales figures are any indication

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Karen:

i’m of two minds on the whole surgery thing

actual alteration - unless reconstructive, or deformity altering - is a questionable act for a bunch of reasons

however, i know it’s a grey area, but women getting a lift or tuck, but not actual hard-core alteration is an issue i vacillate in opinion of.

if a person wants to exercise to look younger - that’s certainly ok

but then wants to do a tuck to get rid of a troublesome double chin - is that ok? or a small breast lift? or tummy tuck?

i don’t think it’s a really positive step - i think we, as a society, and as individuals need to come to terms with what aging means, but if i am prepared to accept hair dye to cover grey - then philosophically, why not minor tucks and lifts?

i have argued against the need for such with women i know, but am having trouble holding my ground in the argument.

oh - and for the record, i find older/mature women very sexy. i am turned entirely off by “fake breasts” and the “barbie doll” paradigm.

The guilt trip about professional development is a little ridiculous considering the myriad women-only professional networks, both internal and external to employers.

In the end, I still find it best to stick to window-shopping. Wouldn’t want to wind up like the former Governor Narcissist.

And yes, millions of years ago when the life expectancy was 25 and we all ate raw meet, a vision of beauty was 13 because that was middle aged. Sorry to hear that you’re still living in the past.

I teach teenagers to look to their peers for support rather than their subordinates and to expect equality and parity from sexual and romantic relationships. Most teenagers appreciate having a conversation with an adult about real relationship issues, not simply an older person playing at being an adult who is on the prowl for sexual conquests with those who look to him for professional leadership.

It’s an uphill battle against millions of years of evolution to try to convince men that “tummy bulge and saggy breasts” are beautiful, but I commend you for fighting the good fight.

Now let me go see where the interns are having lunch today…

And I call “Daddy’s” exclusive interest in body shape rather than partnership and family a reason to either get him into therapy so he can develop beyond being exclusively interested in sex or to get a divorce.