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	<title>Comments on: Religious, polygamist, sex abusers are bad</title>
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		<title>By: Isil</title>
		<link>http://karenrayne.com/2008/04/14/religious-polygamist-sex-abusers-are-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-2823</link>
		<dc:creator>Isil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, im not saying that they shouldnt talk to their kids, im just saying what they have to say is crap. But crap is way better than silence, we agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, im not saying that they shouldnt talk to their kids, im just saying what they have to say is crap. But crap is way better than silence, we agree.</p>
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		<title>By: karenrayne</title>
		<link>http://karenrayne.com/2008/04/14/religious-polygamist-sex-abusers-are-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-2791</link>
		<dc:creator>karenrayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isil, I agree that it's important to give our children the freedom to discover their own sexuality.  But we all do that within the context of our own ethical and moral frameworks.

My personal ethical and moral framework says it's healthy to explore your sexuality before marriage, that sexual attraction and gender dynamics are more fluid than solid, and that there are few things more horrible than rape.

But I also find myself called on a very deep level to talk with everyone - regardless of religious creed - about sexuality education.  There is great value in helping even religiously conservative parents learn to have open and honest conversations with their children and teenagers about sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isil, I agree that it&#8217;s important to give our children the freedom to discover their own sexuality.  But we all do that within the context of our own ethical and moral frameworks.</p>
<p>My personal ethical and moral framework says it&#8217;s healthy to explore your sexuality before marriage, that sexual attraction and gender dynamics are more fluid than solid, and that there are few things more horrible than rape.</p>
<p>But I also find myself called on a very deep level to talk with everyone - regardless of religious creed - about sexuality education.  There is great value in helping even religiously conservative parents learn to have open and honest conversations with their children and teenagers about sex.</p>
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		<title>By: Isil</title>
		<link>http://karenrayne.com/2008/04/14/religious-polygamist-sex-abusers-are-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-2786</link>
		<dc:creator>Isil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 04:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure its huge, and obviously not completely accurate, but to me its "awfully" closer to the truth than the other way round.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure its huge, and obviously not completely accurate, but to me its &#8220;awfully&#8221; closer to the truth than the other way round.</p>
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		<title>By: Alice</title>
		<link>http://karenrayne.com/2008/04/14/religious-polygamist-sex-abusers-are-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-2785</link>
		<dc:creator>Alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is an awfully huge blanket statement to make about "religion."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is an awfully huge blanket statement to make about &#8220;religion.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Isil</title>
		<link>http://karenrayne.com/2008/04/14/religious-polygamist-sex-abusers-are-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-2784</link>
		<dc:creator>Isil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly, religious do not promote individual growth and search for moral and ethical stances other than the official doctrine. Be like we want you to be or go to hell. Kinda rough and non fabulous way of raising kids. At least on that topic.

Call me a lunatic bandwagonner, but proclaiming sex is only to be strictly associated with lifetime marriage and conception pretty much reduces the scope of personal interests. Let alone the role of women in society and families.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly, religious do not promote individual growth and search for moral and ethical stances other than the official doctrine. Be like we want you to be or go to hell. Kinda rough and non fabulous way of raising kids. At least on that topic.</p>
<p>Call me a lunatic bandwagonner, but proclaiming sex is only to be strictly associated with lifetime marriage and conception pretty much reduces the scope of personal interests. Let alone the role of women in society and families.</p>
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		<title>By: karenrayne</title>
		<link>http://karenrayne.com/2008/04/14/religious-polygamist-sex-abusers-are-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-2783</link>
		<dc:creator>karenrayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the clarification, Kristal.

Isil, I am going to have to agree to disagree with you on this one.  There have been times in my life where I would have jumped on this particular bandwagon with you.

However, since I have started this public, Internet conversation about adolescent sexuality I have spoken with an increasing number of deeply religious (non-abusive) parents who I think do a fabulous job of raising their kids.  Some of them even do a good job of providing information-based sexuality education along side their conversations about sexual morals and ethics.

Frankly, I have been completely won over by the absolute need to have ethics and morals integrated into sexuality education.  I might disagree with someone else's moral stance, but it is important for teenagers to know where their families come from on this point.

Furthermore, it is absolutely critical that teenagers are pressed to find their own moral and ethical stance on issues of sex and sexuality within an appropriate framework.  The absolute dearth of conversation along these lines is one of the fundamental reasons there is so much sexual dysfunction and pain in the world.  I've written a number of posts on these topics - try searching for moral in the search box to your right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the clarification, Kristal.</p>
<p>Isil, I am going to have to agree to disagree with you on this one.  There have been times in my life where I would have jumped on this particular bandwagon with you.</p>
<p>However, since I have started this public, Internet conversation about adolescent sexuality I have spoken with an increasing number of deeply religious (non-abusive) parents who I think do a fabulous job of raising their kids.  Some of them even do a good job of providing information-based sexuality education along side their conversations about sexual morals and ethics.</p>
<p>Frankly, I have been completely won over by the absolute need to have ethics and morals integrated into sexuality education.  I might disagree with someone else&#8217;s moral stance, but it is important for teenagers to know where their families come from on this point.</p>
<p>Furthermore, it is absolutely critical that teenagers are pressed to find their own moral and ethical stance on issues of sex and sexuality within an appropriate framework.  The absolute dearth of conversation along these lines is one of the fundamental reasons there is so much sexual dysfunction and pain in the world.  I&#8217;ve written a number of posts on these topics - try searching for moral in the search box to your right.</p>
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		<title>By: Isil</title>
		<link>http://karenrayne.com/2008/04/14/religious-polygamist-sex-abusers-are-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-2781</link>
		<dc:creator>Isil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your title is misleading, religious non abusers are also bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your title is misleading, religious non abusers are also bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristal</title>
		<link>http://karenrayne.com/2008/04/14/religious-polygamist-sex-abusers-are-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-2780</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd like to add that these members of the FLDS church (FUNDAMENTAL Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) are not members of the mainstream LDS church.  I'm not LDS, but I know my LDS friends take offense when lawbreaking FLDS members are considered no different from the regular LDS members.  Just a correction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to add that these members of the FLDS church (FUNDAMENTAL Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) are not members of the mainstream LDS church.  I&#8217;m not LDS, but I know my LDS friends take offense when lawbreaking FLDS members are considered no different from the regular LDS members.  Just a correction.</p>
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		<title>By: karenrayne</title>
		<link>http://karenrayne.com/2008/04/14/religious-polygamist-sex-abusers-are-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-2779</link>
		<dc:creator>karenrayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don, I couldn't agree with you more.  The title was actually a very cranky one for me, intended as sarcasm.

The sensationalism that has been brought to this current case, and others in the past, has marred the seriousness of of the issue of sexuality.  Particularly, the mass media tends to gloss over how our children are institutionalized into the culture of sex, both inside  inappropriate religious sects and in the generalized culture that most of us breathe everyday.

I have been asked about the current events by several people, and I've found myself at something of a loss of what to say besides: "Well, it's bad."  I can go into some depth of a conversation about why it's bad, or how to help these children move forward, but this is generally not what my questioners have been interested in.  Rather, they have wanted me to talk about the specifics of the sexual abuse in a sensationalistic way, detailing and condemning each bad event.  I rebelled.  Thus, my simplistic, and apparently not clearly enough ironic, blog post title.  Thank you for encouraging me to clarify my position!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.  The title was actually a very cranky one for me, intended as sarcasm.</p>
<p>The sensationalism that has been brought to this current case, and others in the past, has marred the seriousness of of the issue of sexuality.  Particularly, the mass media tends to gloss over how our children are institutionalized into the culture of sex, both inside  inappropriate religious sects and in the generalized culture that most of us breathe everyday.</p>
<p>I have been asked about the current events by several people, and I&#8217;ve found myself at something of a loss of what to say besides: &#8220;Well, it&#8217;s bad.&#8221;  I can go into some depth of a conversation about why it&#8217;s bad, or how to help these children move forward, but this is generally not what my questioners have been interested in.  Rather, they have wanted me to talk about the specifics of the sexual abuse in a sensationalistic way, detailing and condemning each bad event.  I rebelled.  Thus, my simplistic, and apparently not clearly enough ironic, blog post title.  Thank you for encouraging me to clarify my position!</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hayward</title>
		<link>http://karenrayne.com/2008/04/14/religious-polygamist-sex-abusers-are-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-2776</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hayward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Religious, polygamist, sex abusers are bad

While I am in total agreement that sex abusers are bad, I don't think we need the religious and polygamist labels, unless you are trying to say that atheistic, monogamous sex abusers are NOT bad.  Adding adjectives like that is sensational, and one of the things that really annoys me about the mainstream media.</description>
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<p>While I am in total agreement that sex abusers are bad, I don&#8217;t think we need the religious and polygamist labels, unless you are trying to say that atheistic, monogamous sex abusers are NOT bad.  Adding adjectives like that is sensational, and one of the things that really annoys me about the mainstream media.</p>
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